Cineastic Euphoria Ragdoll Rework (C.E.R.R) 2.0 Early Access

21 hours ago, AnymYo said:

@Entreped
There is one really weird thing. It seems like increasing the file size is affecting how the force works ingame. If you put spaces for example, the NPCs are reacting slightly different to bullets after each change. That makes it hard to controll. I could decrease the file size but that would be a ton of work because I need to merge everything to a base behaviour pool and just add the differences for each weapon and so on...
 

This was actually what I was referring to.  I know you changed the force differently between versions.  But I wanted to know which file getting bigger was affecting the force adversely.  Were you specifically talking about the size of weapons.ymt, physicstasks, or both?

@Entreped
Its just the physicstasks.ymt.

24 minutes ago, AnymYo said:

@Entreped
Its just the physicstasks.ymt.

Gotcha.  Thanks! 😀

Hello, I watched some videos of this mod after hearing about it in the PDO main page and it looks amazing. I just went through the chore of reinstalling all my mods after the latest updates, and I have a couple of questions before trying to install a new mod so I don't mess up all my stuff lol

1) does this mod affect performance in any way? I'm about 35-40 fps with small drops whenever I'm switching areas, still playable tho. 

2) how does it work with PDO? Does it keep all the cool cinematic euphoria effects alongside PDO's changes to combat and behavior? 

@Raphaco
1. -> At least in my case and some other confirmed cases, CERR is not affecting the performance. Sometimes Im experiencing FPS drops even when I dont use CERR. When I remember right, this might be caused by LML. You should always remember that mod support isnt official and can cause issues.

2. -> Its to 100% compatible to PDO. Please see the recommended config below. Let me give you a short explanation:

PDO is a C++ script mod. This mod is using so called "natives" (game internal executable "statements") which are already in the vanilla game. These "natives" can be executed to trigger specific ingame results. Next to many other "natives", PDO is calling natives which are executing Euphoria ragdoll tasks from the Euphoria configuration file to force NPCs to the ground.

CERR is a re written configuration file for the animation engine also known as the "Euphoria engine". It conatins a much more detailed and extended range of parameters to instruct the engine in specific ingame situations (shot reactions). All these parameters are already known by the engine, Rockstar Games decided (for what reason ever) to NOT use them in the vanilla version of RDR2. Sounds simple but this engine is incredible powerfull and complex and gives you a ton of options and possibilities to configure many ragdoll situation (hit from shotgun, hit from revolver, falling off a roof, how to behave when health is 0 and so on).

PDO config for CERR

Please use the latest version (the latest BETA or higher) of PDO.
To get the full CERR experience combined with the great features from PDO, I strongly recomment to use the following configuration:

1. Go to the .ini
2. Search for "EuphoriaModInstalled"
3. Set it to 1.

As you know, PDO is keeping NPCs on the ground (to simulate an injured on ground behaviour) when the health of the NPC crossed a certain threshold (this is called "dyningState").

EuphoriaModInstalled = 1 will prevent PDO from breaking the running euphoria sequence to force a NPC to the ground when the health of the NPC is under the dyingstate threshold. PDO will still keep the NPC on the ground, but only after the NPC went down by it self.

Enjoy the mod!

Hello @anymyo, thanks for replying so promptly and extensively. I am new to modding so I definitely learned a lot through your explanation.

I installed this mod and it's amazing, makes the whole experience way more immersive and works wonders with PDO. Even when the NPCs don't go into dying states (PDO) and die instantly, they still go down in a very realistic way and feel more alive then ever. 

I really appreciate your work and feel like you did a job Rockstar wasn't able (or willing) to do. You had the vision they were lacking and it's game changer. Brings back the same sense of immersion and amusement that blew my mind back in 2008 (if I'm not wrong) when I first played Gta IV. 

And as far as performance issues, nothing has changed after installing CERR. I'm still getting the same occasional stuttering I was after installing LML, so no harm done.  It's worth it, if I am able to play the game with such amazing overhauls. 

I have to say, this mod is essential and it is a must have. Keep on with the good work! 

@All
My new update is finished. I will release it with a preview video (which im doing atm) and a detailed changelog official in a few days, but in case you want to play it early, its attached and ready to download.
After some research I can say, that the weapons.ymt file is also a main file for the shot reactions. It contains many parameters to configure many ragdoll stuff (more than i thought). It also allows you to link up to 3 main euphoria behaviour tasks to a weapon with ammo, configure the force, fragimpulse, penetration, projectil force, force to each body part and so on.

With this update, nothing changed in the physicstasks.ymt but its a complete euphoria related overhaul of the weapons.ymt (all non euphoria stuff is untouched).

In this new Update (1.0.8) I took nearly to each playable weapon one by one and adjusted all euphoria related parameters by concept, weapon type, ammo type, shot impact and fire rate to make it fit to the existing physicstasks.ymt (LB, NB or HB) and also to prevent immersion breaking behaviours like spinning and so on. Each weapon is feel a way more unique now. All the settings are optimized to work with the euphoria configuration for the existing physicstasks.ymt.

The use of the weapons.ymt is now a necessary main file of C.E.R.R.

(In this early inofficial relase is only the NB file of the physicstasks.ymt. If you like to play with LB or HB, you can simply exchange the file with the one from 1.0.71)

Also heres a short and uncut preview of the Schoflied revolver with HV ammo (sorry for the bad sound, I was watching Tombstone in the background :D).
 

CERR 1.08.zip

Is this mod compatible with: W.E.R.O (Euphoria Ragdoll Overhaul) ?

53 minutes ago, RusGameTactics said:

Is this mod compatible with: W.E.R.O (Euphoria Ragdoll Overhaul) ?

 @RusGameTactics
No because its the same kind of mod.
WERO and CERR aiming for different ragdoll styles but using the same files to configure the engine.

after installing the mod, the game started to crash, what should I do?

22 hours ago, gabidze said:

after installing the mod, the game started to crash, what should I do?

I dont know, this is not normal.
Do you use other mods and if yes, what mods exactly?

@AnymYo Thanks for this great mod and making it work with PDO. Really enjoying it!

@HughJanus Thank you very much! I really appreciate this!

I have noticed a strange bug and can't seem to find any info on it:

When using this mod, after shooting someone on horse back while robbing them, they just get off the horse and stand still. They only start to move again if i do something to break them out of it IE shoot them in the leg or hit them with my horse. While they are in this 'frozen' state with hands raised, I can not rob them and they don't speak or move. When I remove the mod, it goes back to normal. Either they die on the horse or eat all my bullets while riding into the sunset.

Can I fix this somehow?

23 hours ago, about 49 snails said:

I have noticed a strange bug and can't seem to find any info on it:

When using this mod, after shooting someone on horse back while robbing them, they just get off the horse and stand still. They only start to move again if i do something to break them out of it IE shoot them in the leg or hit them with my horse. While they are in this 'frozen' state with hands raised, I can not rob them and they don't speak or move. When I remove the mod, it goes back to normal. Either they die on the horse or eat all my bullets while riding into the sunset.

Can I fix this somehow?

I noticed the same behavior in Van Horn

@about 49 snails @ChristianW.

Could you link an example video?

Do you use PDO also?

On 7/19/2022 at 11:40 AM, AnymYo said:

@about 49 snails @ChristianW.

Could you link an example video?

Do you use PDO also?

Yeah I'm using PDO, I manage to capture the behaviour, for context a gun fight broke out in Van Horn and this guy was passing by horse, he dismounted and stayed frozen in the middle of the road and even going back to his frozen spot if I tried to nudge him.

@ChristianW.
Thanks!
The problem in this case is, that nothing in the physicstasks.ymt file could affect something like this. Its only the configuration for the physics based ragdoll behaviour which will only be executed after the game sets the NPC to ragdoll. The game knows two states for NPCs. Animated/scripted and ragdoll/euphoria. Physicstasks.ymt is managing only euphoria stuff. There isnt any option to configure a non physical/ragdoll function in the physicstasks.ymt. What I see in the video, is not caused by the physics engine (the NPC is not in ragdoll but in a animated/scripted state). This more looks like an ingame AI event task which is not working properly.

Please try to reproduce that issue without using PDO and without using CERR.

@ChristianW.

I also see that you can duel the NPC. Can you reproduce that without using the duel mod as well?

@about 49 snails Do you use the Ambient Gang mods? 

@AnymYo For me that was the problem, I guess some NPC's were attacking the wrong ones, specially in Van Horn, I changed the Behavior from the file relationships.meta and that solved as far as I tested. it's not your mod, nor the PDO or the Duel one, althou I think the Duel mod bugs out the vanilla duels, but that's not your concern haha. but thanks anyway for being so proactive 

Hi

Do you happen to know which event / physicstasks section governs the behavior when suspended in mid-air?

Thanks

On 10/6/2022 at 4:57 PM, SAC said:

 

Hi

 

Do you happen to know which event / physicstasks section governs the behavior when suspended in mid-air?

 

Thanks

 

 

Looks like an animation to me. There is no euphoria message which could cause a pose like that.  Does it look every time the same?

Just wanted to let you know that Im working on an update (maybe that last). I added multiple states of stiffness and stability to give a ragdolled NPC the option to fall down stundy, or stumble in the death sequence (CERR 1.08 felt a bit repetive cause the most NPCs started to stumble after you killed them). Also I took advantage of my research (which I shared previously with other mod creaters) by creating a bunch of completely new custom behavior sets for certain weapons and ammo (for weapons and reactions which felt unfinished to me). Here is a quick demonstration of the semi auto shotgun:

https://streamable.com/s72lut

https://streamable.com/s72lut

the first killed ped (sitting on a chair) dies very strange, looks like a cheap animation. how to get rid of this effect?

9 hours ago, AnymYo said:

Looks like an animation to me. There is no euphoria message which could cause a pose like that.  Does it look every time the same?

You are correct, that is the result of executing SET_PED_TO_RAGDOLL on the NPC

Below is what it looks like if I don't run any code on them. It is always the same pose, they move the legs a little